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In which year did this ctge start to be manufactured
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JP

Do you mean that particular cartridge or the 6.5 cartridge in general?

The 6.5 Carcano was introduced in 1891 with the Model 91 rifle, which facts I'm sure you already know.

I think you are asking about that particular cartridge but I don't know what that particular cartridge is.

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"Armi Portatile e Munizioni Militari Italiani 1870-1998," by Ruggero Filippo Pettinelli, shows this cartridge simply as either as the Model 91 or as "il tipo pi


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Thanks to both of you
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http://www.worldwar.it/munizioni/65x52carcanoita/fr.asp

This is a very good article on 6,5x52 Carcano by Giovanni Defrancisci, where you can find notices about the "cartuccia per tiro ridotto".
The word "cappellozzo" is not on italian dictionary, and was relative only to this item. In italian, "cappello" is "hat", and "cappellozzo" sounds like a little strange hat.


Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:35 am
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'Little strange hat' (or cap) does seem appropriate for this odd shaped primer.


Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:47 am
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What is this thing supposed to be? It looks like a 6.5 Carcano with a bullet made from a .22LR case and an airgun pellet, which it obviously isn't. But what is it?


Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:17 pm
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Falcon - "Tiro ridotto" is a short-range cartridge.

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Vittorio - could the term Cappellozzi be interpreted to be "small top hat?"
A "top hat" in English refers to the very high style of hat that was popularly worn with very formal attire. It is the type of hat seen in almost every picture of our Civil War President, Abraham Lincoln.

I should have recognized that the word's root was in the word for hat. Che stupido sono io!

John Moss


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Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:27 pm
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JohnMoss wrote:
Falcon - "Tiro ridotto" is a short-range cartridge.

John Moss

Cheers John, I didn't really read the answers properly, so all the talk of primers confused me and I wondered what was actually going on. I now see it as a tubular bullet with what looks to be a lead pellet in the end, which would obviously be a short range cartridge due to the lightness of the bullet. What is the purpose of the "rim" on the tube part of the bullet that I said looked like a .22LR Case?


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To clear up some confusion, the 'jacketed' portion of the bullet is permanently attached to the case, only the lead nose ('Palle piombo di ricambio') is fired down range. The primer is the long 'top hat' item just below the cartridge in the catalog illustration. The third cartridge in this picture is one of the Tiro ridotto cartridges, lacking its projectile. Note the deep cannelure at the neck that secures the tubulat bullet jacket to the case.

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If anyone has one of the projectiles that is lacking its cartridge and ants to dispose of it, please let me know.


Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:56 pm
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Were these cartridges designed to be reloaded over and over again with new primers and projectiles? How is the primer seated in the case?


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[img][img]http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7031/tiroridottovj4.jpg[/img]
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This is a first type of "tiro ridotto" 6,5 Carcano with his "cappellozzo".
The small case was intoduced in the rear of the cartridge and the little 6,5mm. bullet on the top.
Look here:
http://www.worldwar.it/munizioni/65x52c ... 3222=Vai...


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In the sectioned cartidge shown on that website with the small base insert case, was the steel rod between the primer and bullet also fired or did that stay inside the case?


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This "cappellozzo" was also used with one of the several reduced ammunition for the MOSCHETTO BALILLA.

Philippe


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