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AKMS
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 Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps Posting these for Russ Cornell. Any idea who made these 7.62x39mm? All he knows is that they were found in Africa. Chinese?  Brass case.  AKMS
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jonnyc
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps The "ST" does look Chinese, or using Chinese equipment. Perhaps for Sao Tome?
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EOD
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps The "60 96" might be still the well known Bishkek Machine Building Factory "BMZ" in Bishkek (Frunze in Soviet times) in Kyrgyzstan.
According to the factory they were still producing ammunition in 1997 (and maybe still do).
The script of the "9" used here corresponds to the one observed in recent years on cartridges throughout the former Soviet union like:
7.62x39
- 270 97
7.62x51
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9x18
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- "Armenian script" 97 (recently we had the similar hs here on a 7.62x39 with "00" date for ID)
Means it might be that the bunters are supplied by one and the same company which might be KBAL which is the sole producer of ammunition production machinery in Russia.
Remark: Tula Cartridge Factory is not using this script.
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DocAV
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps With this Post on "African" source ammo of Soviet Design, is there any HS available of the reported Zimbabwean Factory ( set up with Norinco (PRC) made machinery?) Is it still in operation? I had seen advertised packets of 7,62x39 for commercial sale in the USA, but after that one appearance, there were no other instances. Can't even remeber the Brand name...old timer's disease.
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russx39
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps alex- are you saying that the old USSR factory 60 is located in what is now kyrgyzstan?
that could explain why the 60 96 has a brass case.
Zimbabwe 7.62x39mms came in "cheetah " brand boxes. only 2 headstamps known- 92 over ZI and 97 over ZI.
russ c
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AKMS
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps A friend and I shot a bunch of the Cheetah brand (ZI 97 headstamp) 7.62x39mm a few years back. It was some of the best 7.62x39mm I have ever seen or used. Top notch quality, full power and very accurate. Not what one would expect out of Zimbabwe on used Chinese machinery...
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EOD
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps russx39 wrote: alex- are you saying that the old USSR factory 60 is located in what is now kyrgyzstan?
that could explain why the 60 96 has a brass case.
russ c Russ, yes Kyrgyzstan. Unfortunately very little is known about their production after the fall of the USSR. Why you think brass makes it likelier to be Kyrgyzstan then?
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EOD
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps DocAV wrote: With this Post on "African" source ammo of Soviet Design, is there any HS available of the reported Zimbabwean Factory ( set up with Norinco (PRC) made machinery?) Is it still in operation? I had seen advertised packets of 7,62x39 for commercial sale in the USA, but after that one appearance, there were no other instances. Can't even remeber the Brand name...old timer's disease.
Regards,
Doc AV Here a visual help: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r152 ... _07701.jpg
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gyrojet
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps
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russx39
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps alex- are the brass case 7.62x39mms with 601 headstamps from kyrgyztan or kazakhstan?
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EOD
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Re: Mystery 7.62x39mm headstamps Russ, they are made on Manurhin machinery in Uzbekistan by "Vostok" in Tashkent. (the first samples in France then)
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