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 .50 BMG Red and Black tip 
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Post .50 BMG Red and Black tip
Hey all.

Can anyone clue me in on the meaning of a .50 BMG projo with a black tip and red ring. It's on an case hstp'd "IVI" over "73" (Both oreintatied the same way). that has traces of a green primer annulus. ANy reference I can find to those projo colors, seems to list these as French AP-T but:IVI i Canadain and as far as I am aware, Canada used UK marking convention during WW2 and then NATO markings after that. Neither of those color convetions used those colors that (I'm aware of).

So any help?

Nick

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Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:01 am
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Post Re: .50 BMG Red and Black tip
The French used this colour coding twice, the later was for an anti-ricochet round made for the Swiss, about 1986 by Manuhurin. Possibly a similar contract a couiple of years earlier?
South Africa also made this colour code for a one-time contract but this time it represented AP-T with a harder core than standard ball or tracer.

Will

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Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:30 am
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Post Re: .50 BMG Red and Black tip
Hi Nick,

This is the C44. It is an APHC-T load. I've recently sectioned one and will post pictures soon.

Paul

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Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:37 am
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Post Re: .50 BMG Red and Black tip
Cheers mate. Would I be right in assuming APHC-T is Armour Piercing Hard Cored-Tracer?

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Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:06 am
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Post Re: .50 BMG Red and Black tip
Hi Nick,

Yes, the core is TC with the typical bi-conic tip. My understanding is that this ammunition was reserved for wartime use. The projectile is much heavier (something like 250 grains) than a standard load resulting in higher pressures. The analogy I heard was that it was like a proof shot, but was necessary to achieve any sort of penetration against an APC....Paul

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Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:31 am
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